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Sometimes, the most basic products are the most widely debated, and deodorant undoubtedly falls into that category. Scented v.s. unscented, whether you should switch to an aluminum-free option, what “natural” really means, what body parts to put it on (yes, seriously) — start talking about any of those topics and you’re almost guaranteed to spark a lively conversation. But if there’s one thing about deodorant that’s nonnegotiable, it’s this: wearing it to stop the stink.
In this episode of For What It’s Worth, NBC Select’s live podcast, hosts Lauren Swanson, editorial director, and Zoe Malin, reporter, talk all things underarms, including their all-time favorite deodorants, armpit detoxing and a formative experience we’ve all likely had: sitting in a classroom with a bunch to smelly middle schoolers after gym class.
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LAUREN: Welcome back.
ZOE: Welcome back to our sweaty summer series.
LAUREN: Sweaty summer series, part two, deodorant edition. Love it, hate it, need it?
ZOE: I think it’s one of the most important inventions on planet Earth. Truly I do believe that.
LAUREN: As always, I have “would you rathers” and these are going to be good, I’m sure. Would you rather wear no deodorant for a week or only use a Abercrombie scented body spray from the early 2000s?
ZOE: I think I would just go with the Abercrombie body spray. I think I could tolerate that better than no deodorant.
LAUREN: I am now experiencing the awkward age where I need to tell my little brothers that they stink because they’re middle schoolers. Or no, they’re high schoolers now. They’re just into high school. And I’m like, how do I kindly gift them deodorant.
ZOE: I will never forget — I’m sure you had this experience at some point in your dancing career as well — when you’re about to graduate eighth grade, go into high school, whatever it is, and everyone starts to smell terrible. And suddenly, wearing deodorant is not an option anymore. It’s not something that families can decide when their kid is ready. No, no, no. This is a public health matter. I will never, ever forget when we did our little “show the parents the dance” for that season and the dance instructor came out at the end. She was saying, “We’re so proud of the kids. They’re so proud. I have one announcement: deodorant is now mandatory.” I will never forget.
LAUREN: Were you so embarrassed?ZOE: No because I was wearing deodorant. I’m a good citizen.
LAUREN: So you were like, thank you.
ZOE: I was like, You’re welcome. I was so grateful for her because there were some boys in my class, and it was hard for them because people didn’t want to stand near them. So I was like, Wow, you did such a nice thing today.
LAUREN: A good mitzvah.
ZOE: A good mitzvah. You were a mensch today, truly. I remember that so clearly because I think kids that had never worn deodorant were like, What is that? And I’m like, Oh my God, you guys have no idea what you’re about to get introduced to. It’s the best thing on the planet.
LAUREN: I have several friends that are teachers — my college apparently just bred teachers. I have a lot that are teachers, and they’re like, middle school is stinky.
ZOE: Truly, when you say that, I’m transported back to having science class after gym in middle school. It was so disgusting. The stench in the air.
LAUREN: How much Axe did you smell?
ZOE: Oh, my God. I always thought that was crazy though, that you would not have gym as the last thing of the day because if you knew that these smelly middle schoolers are going to be running around, some of them change clothes, some of them don’t…
LAUREN: And then just sitting stagnant in your class in their own stench, in their own sweat…
ZOE: And there’s 30 of them. I always thought it was such a rude thing to do to like the kids, first of all. But second of all, to the teachers. They don’t deserve this. I was always so baffled by that.
LAUREN: Middle school teachers probably have nostrils of steel. Probably immune systems of steel and nostrils of steel.
ZOE: But it’s abusive. I will always remember thinking that to myself, like, Wow, this is crazy that you guys don’t plan better.
LAUREN: I feel like they should put free deodorant in middle school bathrooms.
ZOE: I agree.
LAUREN: Free tampons and free deodorant.
ZOE: Kind of like how they do at a fitness studio. I agree. They should make it mandatory before you exit the classroom. I completely agree with you.
LAUREN: Well, gross.
LAUREN: Would you rather reapply deodorant midday or just suffer in silence?
ZOE: Oh, I reapply all the time.
LAUREN: Yeah, this is stupid. I absolutely do it. I keep it at my desk.
ZOE: I keep it in my desk drawer and everyone is so grateful for it.
LAUREN: Ariella, who sits behind me, when she’s on Zoom calls, I swear you could see me in the background every single meeting reapplying. I’m a sweaty meeting girl. If I have a lot of meetings and I’m talking a lot, I get really, really sweaty, so I’m reapplying. And of course, on my tombstone, I want it to say, “Lauren Swanson always smelled nice.” I have to do it constantly.
ZOE: You’re doing everyone else a favor. I feel that way when I do it. I’m like, You know what? It’s not even just for me. It’s for the public. Have you ever been in a subway car and when you get in there…
LAUREN: Yes and you’re like, somebody’s smells. You have to go to the next car. You can’t stay.
ZOE: Oh my God, and what about when you’re running and there’s someone who’s doing your pace, and they’re clearly not wearing deodorant.
LAUREN: I’ve never had that happen. I’ve never smelled somebody while I’m running. I think because there’s fresh air blowing that I don’t notice.
ZOE: Maybe I have super scent or something, because oh my God, it makes me nauseous. Also when I’m running, I have to run to Central Park before I get inside it, and I have to go along all the sidewalks where there’s office buildings and there’s all these people coming out, depending on the time of day, or going in, and they’re wearing so much perfume and so much cologne. I am ill. I’m very sensitive to that. Everybody knows in any product review I give, the number one thing I say is whether it’s fragranced or not because I just really can’t handle it. And oh my God, when I’m running, it’s like, turned on to max.
LAUREN: I’ve never noticed it when running. I think I’ll just always assume it’s me, and so I feel so bad. I’m running and I’m like, Oh, there’s a stink. Oh, it’s probably me. I have to keep my arms down.
ZOE: No, it’s definitely someone else. I’m telling you. It’s horrible.
LAUREN: You probably have never been in this very unique situation where you’re a little stinky because you’re going through TSA at the airport, and then they make you take off all of your sweaters, and then raise your hands to go through the little device. And I say this because I just had this experience several times where I did that. I took off all my things, and then I had to raise my arms in the air. And I was like, Oh my God, these poor TSA agents are just getting a strong whiff of the stress sweat that I just experienced from being a little late to the airport, getting to the airport, dragging my bags, waiting in the security line and it’s taking too long, and then having to take everything out of the bag, and I’m stress sweating, and I’m taking off all of my protective layers and just exposing them to the raw scent of me.
ZOE: But just like middle school teachers, they probably have nostrils of steel.
LAUREN: They probably have seen so much worse, like not wearing socks at the airport. I’m sure they probably see that all the time and they’re like, Who are these people? Humankind?
LAUREN: Would you rather only use natural deodorant forever, or only use aluminum forever?
ZOE: I just don’t care either way. I think there’s some natural deodorants that are fantastic, and there are others that are not. I don’t think it’s a natural or not natural thing — I think it has so much more to do with the formula. I personally do not care if it has aluminum in it. I know that people care. I am not one of them. If it works, I’m thrilled. And that’s really all I care about. For me, the most important things are, does it work? And in what situation can I wear this? Like running, work, etc. And what’s the scent of the deodorant?
LAUREN: What’s your preferred scent?
ZOE: A vanilla.
LAUREN: Really?
ZOE: Yes, I love a vanilla.
LAUREN: Can you do citrus?ZOE: No, I can’t do citrus. But Dove has one that’s a cucumber scent. It’s very refreshing.
LAUREN: I love that one. That’s my go to scent. I love a cucumber. I love a soft, fresh smell. I don’t always love vanilla. I think it’s too overpowering as a scent. A vanilla candle does nothing for me. I think my parents burned too many vanilla sugar cookie candles when I was a kid, and it just makes me think of crock pot dinner meals and coming home to having to do homework. There’s too many bad scent memories. But I love a cool cucumber.
ZOE: That cool cucumber one is my go to for workouts. But Phlur has a vanilla one that I feel like launched this year, and it’s quite literally one of the best things I’ve ever smelled in my life. Oh my God. Not to sound strange, but it smelled so much like vanilla frosting that I wanted to eat it. It was fantastic. And then I looked it up, because oftentimes Phlur makes that one fragrance in many different products, thank God they had a candle and sprays. I bought it all. I was like, this is the best.
LAUREN: Do you have it with you?
ZOE: Not at the office, but I’ll bring it for you.
LAUREN: Because maybe I’m just not picking the right one. I’m not a Bath and Body Works vanilla scent fan.
ZOE: No, it’s not a Bath and Body Works vanilla scent. It’s a sophisticated vanilla. I love it, and I was surprised because I don’t usually love heavily fragranced things, but that one I love. And then I love Native’s deodorant. They have a couple different good scents, but their vanilla one is very light and very subtle, and I like it too.
LAUREN: Okay, I might have to try that one, too. I’m such a non-vanilla girl. I like fresh. There used to be a candle that my parents had in their bathroom forever ago, like early, early childhood, that was like a honeydew melon, and that’s my ideal scent: a soft honeydew melon. Or a cool cucumber. I think a cucumber melon is probably my preferred scent.
ZOE: I can’t do anything heavily herby, like a jasmine situation. Lavender makes me nauseous. I don’t know. I don’t like those. I’m not that person.
LAUREN: Lavender, no. Also, if you’re putting on lavender deodorant, I’m like, Okay, I’m gonna take a nap. I need to be energized. I need to get on with my day.
ZOE: I agree. I totally agree with that.
LAUREN: Do you put deodorant on after your shower? Do you shower at night?
ZOE: Well, it depends on the season. Usually I shower in the morning because I workout in the morning. But if it’s summer, I’m showering three times a day and I put on deodorant every time.
LAUREN: Okay, hypothetically, if you shower at night, do you put deodorant on after?
ZOE: I do, and I didn’t know that was controversial.
LAUREN: I don’t. I just freshly showered. I’m not putting deodorant on.
ZOE: Well, what if you have night sweat?
LAUREN: Then I deal with it. I don’t know, then I put deodorant on in the morning because I don’t care if I’m stinky in bed. It’s not an antiperspirant where it’s stopping me from sweating. Who cares if I’m stinky when I wake up?
ZOE: No, it’s just totally automatic for me. It’s your routine: brush your teeth at night, put on your deodorant, go to bed. Which I didn’t know was not a thing. I don’t remember how, but maybe I read something, and it was like, You shouldn’t put on deodorant before you go to bed. You know those articles. And I was like, who cares? I’m doing it.
LAUREN: I don’t know that I can get behind doing it, but you do you.
ZOE: Thank you. You do you, too.
LAUREN: I was talking to one of my friends when we were at a wedding a couple weeks ago, and we were at a barbecue with my whole group of college friends, and she started this whole conversation about natural deodorants, and it was the most lively conversation.
ZOE: Isn’t that interesting, how passionate people are?
LAUREN: Everyone’s like, Which one do you have? Do you like that one? Does it work? It was incredible. But my friend, she just had her second baby. Well, I guess her baby turns one or two, I don’t know how old he is, in December. She said postpartum stink is the worst stink that you can possibly experience. She’s like, It is not like anything else in your entire life. She said she couldn’t use regular deodorant because she was breastfeeding, so she wanted to use natural deodorant. But she’s like, That stink was so unbearable for natural deodorant. She had no other options.
ZOE: It’s interesting you say that, because I do think that some natural deodorants actually make it worse.
LAUREN: She recommended one. I think she called it Nood, N-O-O-D. It goes on kind of like a cream, I think she said.
ZOE: Oh I hate those. Automatic no. I do not want to touch my armpit.
LAUREN: She highly recommended this one, so I want to try it.
ZOE: Does it come in a stick? I’ll use it. Only a stick.
LAUREN: I’ll Google.
ZOE: I will not use a cream. We tested the Lume all body deodorant, and I signed up to be a tester because I assumed we were getting sticks. No, no, no — we got creams. I was horrified.
LAUREN: I’m sorry, I misspelled it. It’s N-U-U-D.
ZOE: Is it a stick? That’s all I want to know.
LAUREN: I’ll find out.
ZOE: I just simply can’t.
LAUREN: Currently, it looks like a cream. Oh, no, sticks.
ZOE: Thank God. Fine. I’ll test it. LAUREN: The stick, yes. Oh, and they’ve got great flavors. You can’t do lime, though.
ZOE: I can do lime.
LAUREN: Oh, you can? ZOE: Yes.
LAUREN: You can’t do ginger. I mean orange.
ZOE: No orange for me.
LAUREN: Okay, I want to try these ones because she said this was the only natural deodorant that helped her postpartum stink, which she said was other-worldly. She was like, I can’t be near my husband.
ZOE: Every day I learn another reason why pregnancy is horrible. Add that to the list. But truly, that Lume cream, I couldn’t handle it. I was horrified.
LAUREN: What was so bad about it?ZOE: I don’t like touching my armpit. I want to use a stick only. I don’t want it on my hands. That’s why I think face sunscreen sticks are fantastic. Makeup sticks, fantastic. I don’t want to touch anything, you know. I don’t like that because what, you’re washing your hands seven times when you’re doing your skin care routine? No thank you.
LAUREN: Does the cream dry down? Or do you do a light layer?
ZOE: Yes, it did dry, and you do a thin layer. Then you just wait for it to kind of set for a few minutes. I had no problem with the feel of it once it set, but the whole application process made me just infuriated. No, stick for life. Also, I remember the first deodorant I ever used was the crystal one with the ball roller.
LAUREN: I know exactly which one you’re talking about.
ZOE: It made your armpit sticky, and your armpit stuck to your side.
LAUREN: There’s the gel deodorants and you have to wait for them to dry.
ZOE: I was like, What is this?
LAUREN: I hate those.
ZOE: I’m a stick cream variety fan for life. No lotion.
LAUREN: Sprays?
ZOE: I’m not a spray person.
LAUREN: Neither am I.
ZOE: I don’t like sprays of any kind.
LAUREN: They kind of gross me out.
ZOE: It’s not my thing. Sticks only. That’s a firm line for me when I’m talking about deodorant. I don’t care if it’s natural. I don’t care if it’s aluminum. I mean, we’ve talked to so many dermatologists, and they all say the term natural is not regulated, so a brand could say that their deodorant is natural and who even knows what that means.
LAUREN: Sometimes the natural ones also can cause irritation if it’s got the baking soda in, right?
ZOE: Yes, one hundred percent. Some people are very sensitive to it. And I think one thing is that sometimes they have butters and oils in them that kind of leave this grimey, greasy layer on your skin. And I find that some of them are very hard to take off when you’re showering. I think some of those that have the coconut oil or the cocoa butter, or whatever it is, which is in a lot of them to give them that creaminess, I think it’s very challenging to scrub it off. That’s not something I like. I want to go in the shower and feel completely brand new, clean, fresh.
LAUREN: To reapply your deodorant after.
ZOE: Yes, of course.
LAUREN: A fresh canvas for the stick.
ZOE: Exactly, that’s not going to work for me.
LAUREN: I do have one in my desk that I like. However, I reapply it six times a day because I’m not sure it’s working. ZOE: You can never be too sure.
LAUREN:” Lauren Swanson always smelled good.” I have to reapply it several times because I’m so paranoid about not smelling good. It’s the Salt & Stone one. I like it.
ZOE: I’ve heard very good things.
LAUREN: It applies really nice, and whether it’s one hundred percent effective for my very anxious meeting sweaty self, I don’t know, but I like the application. And then I also like the Necessaire one. I think that’s the one. It’s in the green container. Some people are not a fan of the eucalyptus, but I like it. I like the eucalyptus.
ZOE: I like the cream that they make in the eucalyptus. It’s great, I love that scent. But when you run or when you work out, do you use a different one? Or do you use those?
LAUREN: No, I use my Dove.
ZOE: Me too.
LAUREN: I got desk deodorants and then I got bathroom deodorants. And normally, my bathroom deodorants, if I’m traveling, end up in my backpack or my luggage or whatever. And if I’m too lazy to unpack it, then I’ll end up using Chad’s deodorant, which is fine. He’s got 20 sticks of it, because he buys it in bulk at Costco.
ZOE: It’s so funny that you say that. I was trying to remember exactly which Dove one I buy since there’s a couple different ones that come in that cool cucumber and I know I like this one specific antiperspirant for running. So I went on to my family’s shared Amazon account and I typed in “deodorant” to search my past orders. The only two things that came up were my singular sticks of Dove that I always buy on Prime Day. I don’t even care if I’m not even out. I’m restocking. Then, my dad buys an eight pack of Sure deodorant. The same eight pack, I kid you not, since 2014. I scrolled. I was like, Wait, this is the craziest thing I’ve ever seen in my life. And then I sent him a picture.
LAUREN: Does he have stock in Sure?
ZOE: Literally. I was like, Is there something you want to tell me? Do you work here? He’s like, No, you know I like what I like, which is true. He really does.
LAUREN: Dads are the most brand loyal creatures on the planet. My dad will buy Pert Plus until he’s in his grave. Probably when he’s in his grave, I will be bringing Pert Plus as offerings.
ZOE: My dad was like, Well, you know I like what I like. And I’m like, I do know that because the other thing that’s ordered in your name on this account like clockwork since 2014 is 20 bars of Ivory soap.
LAUREN: That’s hilarious.
ZOE: I was like, Dad, this is crazy. This is truly a personality trait of yours. I couldn’t believe it. I was scrolling and scrolling.
LAUREN: If you’re making a Sims character for your dad, it would be like adding the personality traits that were “buys Ivory soap and Sure deodorant by the truckload.” ZOE: I could not stop scrolling because I just couldn’t believe my eyes. This is crazy.
LAUREN: He’s their most loyal customer.
ZOE: And I said to him, have you heard of Subscribe and Save? Because this seems like a waste of money. He was like, No, what if I don’t need it?
LAUREN: Clearly, you always need it. You’ve needed it since 2014. That’s 11 years of needing it.
LAUREN: This is totally separate and not related to deodorant, but have I ever told you the story about my grandma and car insurance?
ZOE: I don’t think so.
LAUREN: So my 98-year-old grandma got in a car accident a couple years ago in the church parking lot. It was not a big car accident. She just hit somebody as she was backing up — hit their car, not the person. Super nice guy. He was so nice about it. Well, my aunt and uncle were like, Well, we need to take her license away, we need to take her keys away, she’s getting a little old. They’re like, Well, you know what? We won’t have to be the ones that do it. We’ll just call State Farm and we will let them be like, Well, we’re going to raise prices up, and that’ll be enough. Well, they called State Farm, and State Farm was like, Rhat’s totally fine. She’s been a loyal customer since 1948. So they didn’t raise her prices. And my aunt and uncles were like…
ZOE: Their plan was foiled.
LAUREN: They’re like, Well, I guess we have to be the bad guys. I feel like that would be your dad. If something happened, Sure would be like, You know, he’s been a loyal customer. He’s our number one fan.
ZOE: And we’ll keep sending you a truckload a month for life. Please don’t.
LAUREN: It’s like he’s got a lifetime supply. He won a game show and now he’s got a lifetime supply, but he also has to pay for it.
ZOE: Of course. I was like, This is crazy to be so loyal to one deodorant. I don’t know about you, but I like to try a couple different deodorants. I love my Dove and that will always be a staple in my bathroom. However, for ones that I wear every day or ones that I put in my desk, I like to try new ones because you never know. There’s new trendy things I feel like you always hear about.
LAUREN: Well, I’m going to try this Nuud one.
ZOE: You always want to know what’s out there. But no, not him. He doesn’t want to know what’s out there. I love to know what’s out there, and I guess that’s personal preference.
LAUREN: I love it. It’s a generational thing, or it’s a dad thing. LAUREN: What do you think about the new trend going on right now with people putting acids on their armpits? You could also do Botox into your armpits.
ZOE: That I knew.
LAUREN: Would you do it?
ZOE: I actually think I might. I used to think that I wouldn’t do that. But it just stops you from sweating, right?
LAUREN: And I think the sweat comes out somewhere else.
ZOE: No, nope. You just completely lost me.
LAUREN: You don’t get to pick where that somewhere else is. It’s like now your feet sweat more than usual.
ZOE: No, no, no. I was going to say if there was some benefit and you didn’t have to do anything anymore, maybe. But no, no, no. That’s too much for me.
ZOE: The armpit detoxing must stop. It does not work. Let’s start there. It does not work. Your body detoxes naturally. You don’t have to layer things. No, no, no, you don’t need to do that. I’ve seen crazy things on the internet. Ridiculous. I love when a video like that goes viral — armpit detoxing is an amazing example — and then a dermatologist, or an endocrinologist or whatever will stitch the video and be like, I’m going to tell you every single reason why this is idiotic. Those videos are my favorite because I just love that in the moment, they’re trying to just cut through the noise and be like, This is ridiculous. No one should do this. All my patients are asking me about it. That’s always my favorite thing when we do a story, and it’s something that so many people are talking about, that we’ve seen on social media, that we’re wondering about. And I’ll call a doctor, and they’re like, My patients have been asking about this, and I didn’t really know why. And I’m like, Oh, give me a few minutes. I’m going to find some videos for you.
LAUREN: I’ll tell you why.
ZOE: And then they’ll see the videos, and they’re like, This is an issue. I’m like, We’re gonna help because this is crazy. I love that.
Lauren: PSA: always ask your dermatologist before you try anything.
ZOE: Anything, literally. It’s true because what works for you might not work for someone else.
LAUREN: Right, you could see a person, an influencer, whatever, with perfect skin. And they’re like, I put Nivea body lotion on my face every single night, and it’s like, well, they have great skin. They have great genetics.
ZOE: Or little do you know they had a zillion facials before that.
LAUREN: Or got paid so much money to say that. I love an eye cream, but are they the most effective? Are they gonna get rid of eye wrinkles? No, the only thing that’s going to get rid of eye wrinkles is Botox. You don’t know when somebody’s like, Look at this eye cream, it works so well. One, it’s a filter. Two, it’s Botox. It’s not real.
LAUREN: Final thoughts on deodorant? What’s your starting lineup of your favorite deodorants that you’ve ever tried?
ZOE: If I had to choose one just to wear for the rest of my life, it’d be the Dove one. It works, it smells great, it’s reliable, it’s cheap, you can buy it in bulk. What more could you ask for?
LAUREN: You’re your father’s daughter.
ZOE: I know, I am. It’s true. But I really love that Phlur one. That’s my most recent discovery.
LAUREN: That’s your best scent?ZOE: That’s my best scent for sure.
LAUREN: New and notable
ZOE: New and notable scent for sure. That one, oh my God, I was hyperfixated on it. And I do love the Native one. That will never leave my lineup.
LAUREN: A lot of people on our team like that one I feel like.
ZOE: It’s great, and I think it’s a happy medium because it’s still a natural deodorant, but it feels, and I think works, similarly to a standard. It’s not an antiperspirant, but I think it does the job and it’s reliable, so I feel like it’s a good in between. What about you?
LAUREN: I would agree with the Dove as my number one because that’s just what’s in my bathroom cabinet right now. I feel like that’s the one that, if I’m going to rebuy, that’s what I’ll rebuy. Because we try so many at work, there’s other ones that maybe I wouldn’t repurchase with my own money, but I enjoy, like the Salt & Stone. I like it, it does its job, it has a great application. Rosalie swears by one. The Secret?ZOE: No, not that one.
LAUREN: The Certain Dry?ZOE: I think it was that one.
LAUREN: She said that was her wedding day one.
ZOE: I love hearing those kinds of stories.
LAUREN: I know. And I want to try the Nuud one because my friend swears by it. Like, why not? I’m open to trying new things. But I think my number one would be the Dove. Not sponsored by Dove.
ZOE: No, not sponsored by Dove.
LAUREN: That would be the one that I would buy again.
ZOE: Buy until you die.
LAUREN: I know I love the scent, and I know that it’ll keep me good until I get my office sweats.
ZOE: And it’s amazing that you can just run into any pharmacy on the planet and find it.
LAUREN: Again, not sponsored by Dove.
ZOE: Not sponsored by Dove. But truly, I think that’s the best. So, Dove wins this round.
LAUREN: All right, well, that’s deodorant. Talk again soon. Bye! Oh, don’t wave.
ZOE: No millennial wave.
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